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Establishing Fine Art as a Religion of Purity: Reading Larry Shiner's The Invention of Art | Part 3
Bork Nerdrum and Jan-Ove Tuv take a deep-dive into Larry Shiner's book The Invention of Art (2001), commenting on the contents from the perspective of classical painting and culture.
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Chapter markers:
00:00 Biggest takeaways so far
05:27 19th century: modernist rhetoric and “Art“ as an independent realm
08:02 Finding the purest of the fine arts
10:30 Changing the meaning of “culture“
12:12 Art as religion
19:57 Pre-modernists and Roman frog eyes
24:17 The Saint and Martyr Syndrom
27:29 “The descent of the a...
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Dr. Nir Buras on The Classic Planning Institute, Modern Urban Planning and The Future of Our Cities
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Dr. Nir Buras is a leading new traditional architect and urbanist, founder of the Classic Planning Institute, and author of The Art of Classic Planning. He designs towns, cities and buildings, and speaks about some of the most interesting developments in the world of architecture and planning and where we might find ourselves in the future. 👍✨ Support our show and get access to more than 200 ex...
Cyclical thinking, Discontinuity and Basic Human Stories | Jon White, Sturla Ellingvåg & Jan-Ove Tuv
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Jan-Ove Tuv sits down with Jon White from @Crecganford and Sturla Ellingvåg from @VikingStories to discuss the nature of myths. 👍✨ Support our show and get access to more than 200 exclusive posts: patreon.com/caveofapelles/ Chapter markers: 00:00 Thinking a-historically 03:33 From ritual to listening 08:48 Replacing pagan holidays and rituals 15:39 Changes in myths 22:26 Tactius' Germania, the ...
Creation, Cows and Sacrifice | Jon White on the Motifs and Interpretation of Indo-European Mythology
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Jon White has studied Indo-European mythology for more than thirty years, particularly focusing on cosmogony and creation myths. As an independent researcher and lecturer, he shares this knowledge on his RUclips-channel @Crecganford. Mr. White visits Cave of Apelles to detail the major motifs or "mythologems" of the Indo-European mythological tradition and what they denote. Considering that the...
19th Century French Bohemia and the Proto-Avant-Garde | A Review of Michael J. Pearce's Book
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What happened in the cultural life in 19th century France that lead to the rise of avant-garde art in America? Jan-Ove Tuv sits down with Michael Pearce to review his book Kitsch, Propaganda and the American Avant-Garde. The book is available here: www.cambridgescholars.com/product/978-1-5275-9411-1 👍✨ Support our show and get access to more than 200 exclusive posts: patreon.com/caveofapelles/ ...
Kitsch, Propaganda and the American Avant-Garde | An Interview with Michael Pearce
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Kitsch, Propaganda and the American Avant-Garde | An Interview with Michael Pearce
Natures of Odin, Preparing for Ragnarök and the Optimism of Poetic Edda | Norse Mythology Part Three
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Natures of Odin, Preparing for Ragnarök and the Optimism of Poetic Edda | Norse Mythology Part Three
Seth Fite on Sincerity in Painting, Andrew Wyeth, and Human Suffering as the Superior Subject Matter
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Seth Fite on Sincerity in Painting, Andrew Wyeth, and Human Suffering as the Superior Subject Matter
Mushrooms & Shamanic Wisdom, Sacred Trees and the Number Nine | Norse Mythology Pt. 2
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Mushrooms & Shamanic Wisdom, Sacred Trees and the Number Nine | Norse Mythology Pt. 2
Henrik Knightingale on his Debut Play "In His Own Shadow" and How to Write a Compelling Story
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Henrik Knightingale on his Debut Play "In His Own Shadow" and How to Write a Compelling Story
The Genius, Museum and Art vs Craft: Reading Larry Shiner’s The Invention of Art | Part 2
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The Genius, Museum and Art vs Craft: Reading Larry Shiner’s The Invention of Art | Part 2
Everything Starts With the Columns | Architect Nils Freckeus on Beauty and Classical Principles
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Everything Starts With the Columns | Architect Nils Freckeus on Beauty and Classical Principles
The Æsir, Vanir & Jötnar | Bronze Age Blending, War and Trade | Norse Mythology Pt. 1
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The Æsir, Vanir & Jötnar | Bronze Age Blending, War and Trade | Norse Mythology Pt. 1
Kaja Norum on Beauty, Sentimentality and the Pleasure of Imitation
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Kaja Norum on Beauty, Sentimentality and the Pleasure of Imitation
Fine Art’s Expulsion of Craft and Sensuality: Reading Larry Shiner’s "The Invention of Art" | Part 1
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Fine Art’s Expulsion of Craft and Sensuality: Reading Larry Shiner’s "The Invention of Art" | Part 1
Belief in Progress: Blessing or Curse to Classical Painters? | Nerdrum, Hicks and Tuv
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Belief in Progress: Blessing or Curse to Classical Painters? | Nerdrum, Hicks and Tuv
The Art of Fiction | Using Ayn Rand's Ideas to Become a Good Storyteller
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The Art of Fiction | Using Ayn Rand's Ideas to Become a Good Storyteller
Making Dystopia: James Stevens Curl Exposes Totalitarian Modernism and the Falsification of History
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Making Dystopia: James Stevens Curl Exposes Totalitarian Modernism and the Falsification of History
Sturla Ellingvåg on Vikings, Norse Myths, Genetic Memory & Connecting the Longer Lines in History
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Sturla Ellingvåg on Vikings, Norse Myths, Genetic Memory & Connecting the Longer Lines in History
Employing Symbols in Paintings - What to Do and Avoid to Make a Credible Story on the Canvas
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Employing Symbols in Paintings - What to Do and Avoid to Make a Credible Story on the Canvas
How Immanuel Kant Undercut Classical Culture and Led to Postmodernism | Stephen Hicks
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How Immanuel Kant Undercut Classical Culture and Led to Postmodernism | Stephen Hicks
Getting People Interested in Classical Architecture | Ruben Hanssen, Hoff-Andersen & Michael Diamant
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Getting People Interested in Classical Architecture | Ruben Hanssen, Hoff-Andersen & Michael Diamant
How to Bring Back Beauty to a Confused Modern World | Michael Diamant & Carl Korsnes
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How to Bring Back Beauty to a Confused Modern World | Michael Diamant & Carl Korsnes
Studying with Odd Nerdrum | Jannik Hösel & Hjalmar Hagelstam
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Studying with Odd Nerdrum | Jannik Hösel & Hjalmar Hagelstam
In the Name of Melancholy | Odd Nerdrum & Jan-Ove Tuv
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In the Name of Melancholy | Odd Nerdrum & Jan-Ove Tuv
Why did Plato Wish to Exile Writers, Painters and Sculptors? | Einar Bøhn, Nerdrum & Tuv
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Why did Plato Wish to Exile Writers, Painters and Sculptors? | Einar Bøhn, Nerdrum & Tuv
Ruben Hanssen on How Urban Planning can be Beautiful, Transforming Dystopian Future into Bliss
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Ruben Hanssen on How Urban Planning can be Beautiful, Transforming Dystopian Future into Bliss
Beyond Tragedy: How Masterworks Unite Calm-Inducing Mandalas, Opposites and "Divine Comedy"
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Beyond Tragedy: How Masterworks Unite Calm-Inducing Mandalas, Opposites and "Divine Comedy"
Jannik Hösel on How He Taught Himself to Paint and His Take on the Role of Symbols in Storytelling
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Jannik Hösel on How He Taught Himself to Paint and His Take on the Role of Symbols in Storytelling
From Violent Rejection to Adoration | Öde Nerdrum Shares his Whole Beat Experience with Wim Winters
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From Violent Rejection to Adoration | Öde Nerdrum Shares his Whole Beat Experience with Wim Winters

Комментарии

  • @mrridikilis
    @mrridikilis 5 дней назад

    I think one of the mistakes architects often make today is that they believe they are artists. That's all fine and good, and I'm all for avant garde art and art that makes you question what "art" is. There is a place for that: it's called contemporary art museums or in private collection. Architecture is "art," but in addition, it is "permanent, public" art which EVERYONE has to look at and live with. The post-modernist ego needs to be lost; stop thinking you know more than the masses. Create beautiful spaces!

    • @michael.diamant
      @michael.diamant 3 дня назад

      Yes their self identification as artists is a root problem, since it makes them deaf to public criticism.

  • @senatuspopulusqueromanus2082
    @senatuspopulusqueromanus2082 6 дней назад

    Imagine actually believing this bullshit

  • @Donello
    @Donello 7 дней назад

    "And on that note".... and I don't hear anything and the authomatically generated subtitles don't show any text either. The sound recording of the closing remarks got erased somehow?

  • @arko9151
    @arko9151 8 дней назад

    Heja Arkitekturupproret💯🙏🏾🙏🏾

  • @HeRa06Ram
    @HeRa06Ram 10 дней назад

    This is true my ancestors came from there until they became mexicans they told me

  • @anthonykenny1320
    @anthonykenny1320 10 дней назад

    This talk is disappointingly shallow and generalistic

  • @anthonykenny1320
    @anthonykenny1320 10 дней назад

    Ever since the Zoroastrians invented monotheism which was handed down to the Israelites via Abraham and then onto the Christian’s by Constantine and then onto the Muslims by Mohamed, the world has been arguing about whether this allegorical being really exists or not But it is like arguing if Raskolnikov actually existed or not, both are fictitious characters, both are mere inventions and any discussion about their reality is based on so many presumptions about perception and a concrete elf existing noumena works that it is surprising Kant took it so seriously As well as that his ontological scepticism did not take into account mathematics which is neither an a priori nor an a posterior proposition but arrived purely through deductive logic

  • @backtoschool1611
    @backtoschool1611 11 дней назад

    Very clear.

  • @carmichaelree
    @carmichaelree 12 дней назад

    Radagast!

  • @alpotap
    @alpotap 13 дней назад

    Is there a reason this book is 70$ on amazon?

  • @vjt8191
    @vjt8191 14 дней назад

    Excellent messaging for us the love to paint. Thank you!

  • @thatguy7683
    @thatguy7683 15 дней назад

    Its real, i left my heart there, and i no longer feel it

  • @Sacred.Grove.Tender
    @Sacred.Grove.Tender 16 дней назад

    I knowing know I'm late to the party, but holy moly. My life is changed after watching this video. So many of these thoughts I've had myself and am exploring but you have helped further broaden the scope of my lens. Huge fan of the work you're doing, guys. I resonate with a lot of what was being said and find the concept of genetic Memory fascinating.

  • @xsancho74
    @xsancho74 16 дней назад

    Silly man

  • @AllenIverson-to5uy
    @AllenIverson-to5uy 17 дней назад

    Hyberborea mentioned.

  • @operaguy1
    @operaguy1 18 дней назад

    Anyone holding the trope that Ayn Rand merely regurgitated Nietzsche will have that myth shattered by listening to the last 10 minutes of this video.

  • @christopherwb1
    @christopherwb1 19 дней назад

    But is universal subjectivism merely a subjective construction? Kant's philosophy, and all philosophies based on it. is self-contradictory. If I cannot know what is true, than there is no reason for me to believe that what Kant asserts is true either. All forms of radical skepticism fall into the same trap, and have since Gorgias and the ancient pyrrhonists.

  • @Legotron
    @Legotron 19 дней назад

    This feels so good to hear someone as talented as Kaja Norum experience something many aspiring classical artist go through when dealing with the many teachers/professors through out our journey. I had art teachers in high-school and university that talks about how a brown canvas brought them to tears. To hear that you were told to "belong to your time" really hits me, my AP Art History teacher in high school tell me that I should move on and focus on the movement in my "lifetime". I also ended up skipping those classes and they were relentless in letting me know my desire to paint classically was "outdated" and "its been done"... "be original".

  • @user-dm6dc1kn6b
    @user-dm6dc1kn6b 20 дней назад

    20 churches in Italy claiming to have the foreskin of Jesus and 20 kitsch painter mouths in Norway claiming to the have the foreskin of Odd Nerdrum.

  • @martingauthier7377
    @martingauthier7377 21 день назад

    First is it 100% true that early metronomes were based on a bpm scale? Not inaccurate or broken, just different like Celsius vs Fahrenheit...?

  • @bzxshor67mpts
    @bzxshor67mpts 22 дня назад

    Carl Jungs work would compliment a lot of Nerdrums philosophy and understanding in the way he approaches his work.

  • @matthouston4068
    @matthouston4068 23 дня назад

    Too many interruptions

  • @GeoffBeggs
    @GeoffBeggs 23 дня назад

    This is poor advice. There is nothing toxic about linseed oil. There is something toxic about turpentine. The video is basically: “I found that looking at flowers and rinsing my mouth with bleach caused severe mouth ulcers, so I stopped looking at flowers”.

  • @arminthaller7284
    @arminthaller7284 23 дня назад

    Fantastic! Although I was out of my depth both in philosopy and art, it opened ways of understanding.

  • @user-dm6dc1kn6b
    @user-dm6dc1kn6b 27 дней назад

    Ignoring art historical facts to confirm your (or Odd’s) views obfuscates the truth which seems to contradict your whole shtick.

  • @Zagg777
    @Zagg777 27 дней назад

    Kant provided a solid foundation for empirical realism. In fact, it is the only solid foundation for empirical realism, which avoids both skepticism and dogmatism. I find it hard to imagine anything that contrasts more greatly with postmodern relativism than empirical realism.

  • @christophergame7977
    @christophergame7977 27 дней назад

    The difference between phenomena and noumena is, to some extent, artificial or partial.

  • @christophergame7977
    @christophergame7977 27 дней назад

    Arguing for the "existence of God" is missing the point, if ordinary existence is what is meant. Human beings have rational capacities, but such do not exhaust their powers. Ordinary existence is of primarily finite objects, or, preferably, of primarily finite processes.

  • @davethewave7248
    @davethewave7248 28 дней назад

    The reality is classical culture [based on the transcendentals of unity, beauty, goodness and truth] was being undermined by the scientific materialism of the Enlightenment. Kant's aim was to defend these ideals [largely in his Critiques of Practical Reason and Judgement], but with the focus here on epistemology/ Critique of Pure Reason, this has been missed. Why? Because today's thinkers are largely coming at it from the epistemological perspective. If they were more historically/ classically trained, other persepectives would be opened up to them.

  • @theducknamednewepicla9507
    @theducknamednewepicla9507 28 дней назад

    Ok

  • @davethewave7248
    @davethewave7248 28 дней назад

    "How Immanuel Kant Undercut Classical Culture and Led to Postmodernism". The title is wrong. Kant defended classical culture from the dogmatism/ rationalism of the Enlightenment... hence the Critique of Pure Reason. The title should be "How Immanuel Kant Undercut the Enlightenment and Led to Postmodernism"

  • @davethewave7248
    @davethewave7248 28 дней назад

    Seems to me that Hicks has worked his way back to Kant, or projected a modern pre-occupation [the critique of postmodernism] onto Kant. This is where the history of thought [think Vico] comes into its own in order to truly understand and engage fully with a truly great thinker.

  • @davethewave7248
    @davethewave7248 28 дней назад

    Give Kant his due. Who is seriously going to argue against optics today... that sensory data hits the eye and that the brain thereby represents an image. I think what we also need to do, to truly apprecaite Kant who is a great thinker, is to not solely focus on his epistemology at the expense of his wider thought.

  • @davethewave7248
    @davethewave7248 28 дней назад

    How could Kant be considered the father of postmodernism, when he was in fact the defender of the classical faith against the dogmatics of the Enlightenment? It takes one heck of an interpretation of Kant to paint him with that [enlightened] brush. lol

  • @davethewave7248
    @davethewave7248 28 дней назад

    Seems to me Kant was fighting to defend classical culture against the likes of Rousseau and Hume etc. Kant's main aim was to keep a foot solidly in the normative/ universal world with his distinction between practical and theoretical reason. The problem was those in his wake swept the practical part aside. Kant's main enemy is fanaticism/ dogmatism, whether of a religious or rationalist nature. You say Kant says 'we can not know the basic things of life', but you should also say that Kant says these basic things are also normative beliefs that we belive insofar as we are practically exercise our moral/ rational agency. I think you're focusing on his skepticism... without highlighting that the skepticism is only directed at theory... which is actually common sense. When Kant says we can not know reality, all he is saying is that we can not know it in purely theoretical terms. Over and above that, and more importantly, Kant says we are constrained to practically we believe in reality. This serves to frustrate the ideologue on the one hand, and defends common sense on the other. I think you're giving Kant a bad rap here. Sure, you can take half of Kant and say he was a precursor to postmodernism, the enemy of classical culture, BUT you can also take the other half of Kant to say that he was defending classical culture [making room for faith] against the onslaught of the Enlightenment. This second half of the sentence negates the first. I think you haven't recognized fully the distinctions between classical culture and the Enlightenment... and tend to blur the two. In sum, I think you've over-emphasized Kant's epistemology, taking it too seriously/ literally at the expense of his wider thought.

  • @JimiHendrix-es4lv
    @JimiHendrix-es4lv 29 дней назад

    14 notes a second is not that hard if your technique is good. Just set the metronome to 60 and play a two octave scale beginning and ending on consecutive ticks. I experimented with this and made a video of me doing it if anyone is interested.

  • @JimiHendrix-es4lv
    @JimiHendrix-es4lv Месяц назад

    Moscheles, born 1794, heard Beethoven play and was part of the musical world of his age. He put metronome marks to Beethoven's piano sonatas. For Op2#1, in 2/2 time, he write minim=108. At 108 minims per minute (single beat), it's not unreasonably fast at all. In fact, it's often played faster than that. With Wim's double beat theory, you would have 54 minims per minute, which is ridiculously slow.

  • @DanielL143
    @DanielL143 Месяц назад

    The clue to explain the whale symbol, may be biblical, aka - something from the book of Job. As for the 'colour' white does not exist. White is an illusion produced by the brain when the retina is stimulated by a combination of natural wavelengths of light. There is no white in a rainbow or outside the brain. There is no wavelength of electromagnetic radiation that corresponds to white. White is a lie. However this science may not have been known to Melville and likely the colour white represents something along the lines of what you were discussing in the video. God, purity, the infinite, the unknowable or unattainable or some other such notion. Too bad we will never know. I like the idea that Ahab is just challenging nature or god, like Prometheus. I don't agree that Ahab is trying to escape death - I think he is driven by passionate hatred and anger and the idea that man cannot completely control nature, as created by god. I would smite the sun, if it offended me. Its self destruction by ego, not too different from the sin of Adam and Eve, what always pissed off the Greek gods - hubris. The style may be Shakespearean but the template is the bible (this coming from a pagan) - call me Ishmael.

  • @delysid111
    @delysid111 Месяц назад

    Very interesting . They speak about religion, The greeks and christianity, the greek gods may have given a more free way of life, without sin, and the scare of eternal damnation . But listen what did Jesus say that offended anyone ? He said Love your enemy, that means the greeks, that means the Hindus, that means your neighbour, Palestine too . Remember the Samaritan who helped the poor fellow on the ground, the samaritan didnt even ask for his belief, he just helped him and even payed for his stay at the inn . We have been given the true word of our creator and his Son, Jesus . Thats scary, suddenly we know what our creators intentions for our lives, its not to religionize, but to belive . Love you guys ! all the best from here, stay cool . 45:30 Nerdrum says were in Marxist times, and the irony is that Socialists are godless, they are atheists, but use the gospel freely witouth crediting the author, likewise sociology . And the conservative rightside, are usually believers . Astronomer Fred Hoyle said, it was better back in the aristocratic times, for they didnt have to rely on comittys for wild science projects, some crazy rich aristocrat could blow off a million dollars on a wild expedition, like Uncle Scrooge . Before socialsim bought the entire education system and institutions, kings were the artist customer .

  • @maggan82
    @maggan82 Месяц назад

    You should interview swedish professor Anders Kaliff about Nordic bronze age (and indoeuropean culture/mythology) as the cradle. Also professor Anders Winroth in Oslo have similar views!!!

  • @VigiliusHaufniensis
    @VigiliusHaufniensis Месяц назад

    And then Jung turned it into a mystical cult, this strengthens Freud even more

  • @RM-tr7bk
    @RM-tr7bk Месяц назад

    This is COPERNICAN about ‘the guy’ who said his work was Copernican. Kant has wrought havoc through his idea of the construction of reality by the human mind. The morass of ultimate subjectivity we have reached in the first quarter of the 21st century- e.g., I am a woman, says a man, because I say I am a woman - goes directly back to Kant.

  • @petermitchelldayton
    @petermitchelldayton Месяц назад

    Fun to listen but totally disagree lol

  • @zipperpillow
    @zipperpillow Месяц назад

    Dude, pick a lane. You're jumbling up the timelines and the DNA. And your story is just wrong.

  • @josephtermeer5196
    @josephtermeer5196 Месяц назад

    I've come back to this horror story... Where is this masterpiece? This must be published! It's something that could be used as a cornerstone for building against the modern deception against creativity. I think you are a pillar in the darkness.

  • @damin1916
    @damin1916 Месяц назад

    wow this was a really interesting video!

  • @johnpowell4976
    @johnpowell4976 Месяц назад

    In 1808 Beethoven organised and performed in a huge concert of his own music. The concert lasted 4 hours (6.30 - 10.30) If you add together the lengths of all the pieces (symphonies 5 and 6, choral fantasy, etc etc) it comes to just under 3 hours (played at the speeds we all use). This is with no breaks between pieces and no interval. If you take into account an interval (the concert was in two halves) and how long it takes to change performers etc etc, 4 hours is reasonable. If they had played the pieces at half speed (as suggested above) they wouldn't have been able to perform the concert within the 4 hours. It's a silly theory.

  • @averysadtire6820
    @averysadtire6820 Месяц назад

    Vv vvvvvvv vvvv!

  • @horaesilver1995
    @horaesilver1995 Месяц назад

    Just to clarify - Stephen Hicks means 'the latter part of the 1700s' not 1800s, when he is talking about David Hume.

  • @WickedIndigo
    @WickedIndigo Месяц назад

    Just bought my copy today. I have a Barnes & Noble literally a minute drive from my work. Drove straight there to buy my copy, and I’m immensely excited to dig into it.